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Frühling - Zeit des Wandels - Zeit der Buße

Liebe Gemeinde!

Ohne jede Frage sind wir schon mitten im Frühling. Für den einen oder anderen ist es eine besonders friedliche Zeit, die uns besonders lieb ist. Eine Zeit, in der man Abschied von einer Phase seines Lebens nimmt und in eine neue Phase eintritt, die ganz speziell ist.

Glaubet mir, eine Beichte erleichtert euer Gewissen. Sprecht über eure Sünden! Ihr seid nicht allein!

Eine DUESENBERG sei mit euch allen!

Matthias


Re: Frühling - Zeit des Wandels - Zeit der Buße

Hi,

im Ergebnis richtig, denn der Nominativ Plural müßte auch Choru(uuuu)s lauten :-P (Wer ist zusammengeschaltet? Wen interessierts?)

Ach ja, von Ibanez gabs in den frühen 90ern so ne halbe Rack-Schüssel (waren diese schwarzen Zwitter aus Tretmühle und Rackblinker), in Zusammenarbeit mit Rocktron. "Canary Chorus" hieß der wohl, der hatte bis zu drei Choruuuus hintereinander... klang mir irgendwie zu eierig.

Ich finde gut: Arion, Danelectro "Cool Cat", von den Samples und Grobys Sound: Jaques Meistersinger. Allerdings sind die Bypass-Schaltungen nicht immer gelungen, jedenfalls bei Arion und Jaques. Dann gibts noch den Boss CH-1, gut, günstig (war er jedenfalls mal), robust, guter Bypass....

Gruß
burke

Re: Frühling - Zeit des Wandels - Zeit der Buße

Hi Matthias, Du alte Petze,

: friedlieb gas

ja ja ...

: Glaubet mir, eine Beichte erleichtert euer Gewissen. Sprecht über eure Sünden! Ihr seid nicht allein!

Oh, ich werde beichten, noch heute, Du bigottes Luder. Und ja, ich weiß, ich bin nicht allein. :-)

: Eine DUESENBERG sei mit euch allen!

Was willst Du damit sagen? Daß ich zur Strafe für Deinen Beitrag hier von Dir jetzt ne Düsenberch einfordern darf?

Keep rockin'
Friedlieb

Re: Frühling - Zeit des Wandels - Zeit der Buße

Hi,


Ich finde gut: Arion, Danelectro "Cool Cat", von den Samples und Grobys Sound: Jaques Meistersinger. Allerdings sind die Bypass-Schaltungen nicht immer gelungen, jedenfalls bei Arion und Jaques. Dann gibts noch den Boss CH-1, gut, günstig (war er jedenfalls mal), robust, guter Bypass....

Ich hab meinen Cool Cat - der mir soundmäßig gut gefiel -
nach mehrmaligem Defekt (das Teil ist doch tatsächlich des Nachts zum Distortion mutiert - ohne zu fragen !!)zurückgeschickt. Kein Einzelfall wie ich hörte.
Ich war ganz erstaunt wie gut der relativ neue Digitech Chorus klingt.Und dazu momentan preisgesenkt ..
Prädikat - trotz Digital mal antesten.

Grüße Lars

Re: Frühling - Zeit des Wandels - Zeit der Buße


hat hier jemand vielleicht schon mal 'n chorus gehabt und mag über seine erfahrungen berichten?


Hi, Falk.

Ich hab's einfach mal ge-copy&pasted. Ist sehr lang und englisch. Aber kopieren statt neu schreiben spart mir viel Arbeit.



Okay, here goes my small personal chorus pedal shootout, touching upon 7
chorus pedals.
Starting with this line, everything is subjective and imho and afaik and
ymmw and fwiw and stuff. I'll say that right up front in case I may
insult somebody's favorite pedal along the way. Please don't be insulted.
It's only some guy's opinion.

It has become a long post so you might wanna get yourself something to
drink or sump'n.


A good chorus is a problem, I find. Either you're not hearing it and
might as well leave it out of the signal or it is too overpowering and
tends to cheese up everything. So, you (i.e. I) want a chorus that weaves
into the guitar sound naturally and that can give abundance of effect
without being reminiscent of 80's L.A. Metal fingerpicking parts or tacky
pop songs. I only know this one song that improves with massive overdone
chorussing but I'll make sure I never play it ever ever again: "Yellow
River".
I was young and I needed the ...
Hey, wait! Come to think of it: we didn't even get paid that much.

Oh, well. Live and learn. But I'm digressing. Is there anybody still left
reading this? Good.

I had a Boss CE-5 for years and years. Great pedal, great Andy Summers
sound when you want it and a chorus sound that had a certain light
touch at every setting. At extreme settings it had an extremely thorough
light touch, so to speak. Very airy. Georgeous.

But since I wasn't using a chorus for something like 5 years, it
collected dust and when I pulled it out again behind the book shelve, I
realized that in the meantime my ear for sound had improved dramatically
and that I know heard how much the pedal ate my sound in bypass mode.

Much as I enjoyed the effect, the enjoyment was spoiled as I was
constantly in mourning over all the signal purity I imagined were being
killed every second.

So I sold the pedal.

Borrowed a Boss CH-1 from a friend to try. Good sound, if somewhat
reduced options because it didn't have the high- and low-filter knobs that
the CE-5 has. Also, it was more or less the same approach in its way to
chorus up the signal. Good, but as I was looking for something new,
I might as well go for something new entirely. Bypass was better but still
the thing didn't grab my attention.

I gave it back and went without a chorus for a while.

Then I joined a cover band with Police songs in their repertoire. Okay,
now. Time to go chorus hunting again. I bought a used Marshall Supervibe
without test driving it. The specs sounded good enough to warrant a blind
buy. It was even supposed to do a vibe sound as well.

Yeah, right. Somebody get those guys at Marshall a dictionary. It is
*also* a vibe in much the same way that William Shatner is *also* a singer
and a book author.

Still, in its main line of work, chorussing, it was half way decent, even
if among all the knobs there was surprisingly little territory that gave a
good chorus between the two extremes of "Is it on yet?" and
"Stop it. You're making me sea sick!"

Also, the entire effect seemed to me to not weave in with the signal but
rather to chorus it by laying a large plastic, slightly sterile chorus
plating all over it. It was an Andy Summers sound on the surface but if
you were listening closely, it didn't really breath but just shimmered
from the top into the signal.

The effect itself (regardless of the tone knob setting) took place
predominantly in the higher frequencies so that either you were
sacrificing effect when you turned it darker or that you had to play its
own ball game and turn its higher frequencies up which left you with a
sticky chorussy sugar coating that I didn't like (though I could imagine
John Scofield liking it. He leans towards intentional un-organic
approaches anyhow in playing style and sound).

Additionally, there was the problem that there was a jump in volume when
you had a decent sound dialed in and switched it on. I know that some
people like that, argueing that a chorussed sound loses definition and
needs the volume to compensate. I think the other way: For me a chorus
must be all the more able to blend and flow in the music context. If
there's too much sticking out, it screams "Check it out! It's the chorus
part of the song!" which makes it all the more cheesy than the effect
itself already is.

(The attentive reader might have already noticed the irony of this entire
story: Somebody that actually doesn't like a chorus sound all that much,
still wants one.)

Some weeks later, I saw an Arion Chorus for 10 $ and bought it because I
heard it is supposed to be an insider secret that Arion got lucky once and
that even Michael Landau, Somebody Else Famous, and A Third Famous Guy
were using these things.

Wow! What a great sound for 10 $. It has a certain cornyness about it but
within this it sounds far more lively than the Supervibe. I know why it is
something of a secret weapon. It is easy to dial in a decent sound and it
has a tone knob that works very crudely but still very effectively. Want a
shimmering "Bed's too big without you"-sound, tweak it to high. Want to
emulate a warm analog sound, turn it down a little.

There is something about the sound of the thing that makes me not mind
leaving it on for some time whereas I usually get tired of chorus sounds
after a song or two.

If you find one very cheap, give it a try. Look out for the SCH-1 with
the blue batterie compartment cover. The follow-up was a Z(something)-1
that is rumoured to suck, though I didn't try it.

Unfortunately, the delay time the chorus effect is based on is rather long
which means that there is an actually audible short slap back echo if you
have no delay or reverb to cover it up. If you play with no other effects,
the sound is a little reminiscent of playing in a small room with tiles.

If you use it to play finger picking, or distorted or slow parts, it works
great.

Still, awful bypass sound, though.

I kept the Arion and chanced upon a used Voodoo Lab analog chorus and
thought, "Let's try that as well".

I could not get myself to like this thing. I have the suspicion that it
was trying to impress me and draw attention to itself. I can't stand that.
It didn't work with me and my guitar but it had a sound that seemed to
say "Hey, watch how I swoosh your sound around! Ain't I grand?" The
Marshall had that also, come to think of it.

The effect was working with the middle frequencies so that it sounded very
natural but still there was something too - how do I put this? It was too
elegant, somehow. It seemed to say "I was made to emulate a noble family
of well-revered, certified vintage chorusses. If you dislike me, You'll
have no street credibilty with the vintage crowd."

Also, there was no tone knob or anything and the sound was constantly a
little too dark for my taste.

[Anmerkung: später lernte ich dass Voodoo Lab Pedale eigentlich alle innen Trimmpotis haben und dass der Chorus dabei höhentrimmbar ist.]

You know the feeling when a phaser or
flanger swooshes with your frequencies and you wait for the turnaround
in its cycle that will open up the top presence frequencies again? That's
what it felt like with this chorus.

The Voodoolab also had the unfortunate problem of "warbling" the signal at
the turnaround point of the chorus cycle. Imagine yourself driving a
car in a very vast line of curves like you were driving in a sinus wave
shape. Now imagine you don't just turn elegantly around the peak points
but that you do a fast 370 degress turn at every peak instead. Imagine
that happen to your guitar signal. You feel the chorus wave come up and
then a short "wobble" and the wave descents again. If you push this,
you'll get sea sick.

Of course, that gets less pronouned with with more subtle settings but I
found that very irritating and managed to sell the thing again without
much loss. Thank god bcause it is such a costly device.

I tried the Danelectro Cool Cat (i think its called) in a store but even
though I recognized what some of my friends love in it, it didn't do
anything special for me that could keep me fascinated. It was a great
pedal. I didn't buy it.

As I was about to order the next chorus I found the same item used for half the price and bought it immediately.
Don't you love those precious coincedences? Rare enough as they are.

Now I am the owner of a Jacques Meistersinger.
if you don't know Jacques, you're missing at least a great site:
www.ts808.com

I instantly loved the thing and integrated it into my board. It is
somewhat of an amalgam of the virtues I found in previous pedals. It has
the nice analog warm sound but doesn't darken my signal up. Its basic
point of effect is the middle frequency area and it has a very gentle and
cooperative manner, even at fast settings.

I would love to rave more about it but there is nothing exceedingly
spectacular about the thing, really. What it doesn't do is the
big Cinemascope surround sound thing (if I wanted that, I should have
kept the Boss CE-5 which handled those things very well). What it does do
is a chorus that sounds very natural and has the best qualities that the
term "analog" implies: organic, friendly in character, lively yet not too
dominating. It cooperates with the signal and it doesn't show off for
its own sake. It works with me.

(I'm sorry for lapsing into the metaphysical every now and then. It is not
a neutral and objective criterium but *I'm* not objective and neutral and
neither - I like to believe - is my sound.)

Also, it is even slightly smaller than a Boss unit, which I love because
I hate large clunky boxes to lump around or clutter up the stage
floor with. That ruled out Electro Harmonix right from the start.

The Meistersinger has no stereo but that's okay as I'm only playing mono
setups and my sound is much too earthy and "rock'n'roll-y" to ever use
such space-y sounds in recording. No TB either which is a shame really but, hey, I built a loop box for it.

That rounds up my little quest, as I don't know of any other pedals to
try that are within easy second-hand market reach. I believe that in the
Meistersinger I have found the best match for my needs. I love it. We go
well together, so to speak.

I realize that one of the most most promising contenders is missing: TC
Electronics. Unfortunately, they are too expensive (even on ebay) for a
device that is hailed for being hi-fi, a label which makes the thing
suspicious for my taste already. Therefore, my willingness to spent 160 $
on such a basis is almost zero.



Seit damals habe ich noch spasseshalber einen alten 80er Jahre Ibanez Tandem-Chorus erstanden für 20 Euro oder so. Sollte ein Geheimtipp sein und ist es auch auf seine eigene Weise. Ein Bi-Mode aus der 9-er Serie der auch wirklich in jene 80er Jahre passt. Schön spacig. Aber von organischem Sound und dergleichen kann keine Rede mehr sein. Klingt steril aber irgendwie auch auf eine interessante Art. Bypas in typischer Normalo-Qualität.



So, das war's erstmal.


Gruß,
groby
*

Re: Frühling - Zeit des Bandes - Zeit der Muße


Lieber Matthias, liebe Gemeinde,

das ist interessant, dass ausgerechnet gestern zur Beichte aufgerufen wurde; ich habe nämlich genau gestern auch gesündigt, obwohl ich ja nach der Parker eigentlich beschlossen hatte, es nicht mehr zu tun, weswegen ich auch Jochens unbeschreiblich unwiderstehliche Druesen... Duesenbert .... -berg (noch) nicht gekauft habe, obwohl ich eigentlich gerne würde & mir jeden Tag das Mäusehänchen zuckt, als wäre dieser Bürosessel ein elektrischer Stuhl.

Und dieses Bedürfnis nach einer champagnerfarbenen Gitarre hat eben auch was mit dem Frühling zu tun, also mit der Zeit der Farbe (gestern z. B. war nicht nur der Tag der gleich zu beichtenden Sünde, sondern es hat auch noch unbedingt ein oranges Hemd bei Karstadt sein müssen, das mir natürlich viel zu eng ist, weil ich täglich fetter .... aber das ist ein anderes Frühlingsthema ...).

Also, wo war ich noch mal schnell stehengeblieben? Genau, beim Frühling und der Farbe, und was fällt uns da allen ein? Genau: "Dingsbums lässt sein dingsbums Band, wieder schweifen durch die Dingsbums", und immer so weiter. Ihr erratet es: Ich musste ein Gitarrenband bestellen, das zu dem Gedicht passt, meinen Frühlingsgefühlen entgegenkommt & gleichzeitig auch noch in farblicher Enstprechung zu meiner neuen Gitarre steht (die übrigens nach Einstellung von Hals und Saiten doch noch zu einem Sound- und Sustainmonster mutiert ist).

Mein Band ist allerdings nicht Frühlingsblau, sondern, natürlich, Pink Faux Fur (was immer das heißen mag) geworden. Habe jetzt also zwar keine von Jochens Gitarren, aber dafür wenigestens auch ein paar Zotteln. Der Frühling kann kommen.

Gruß,

Michael (Jacuzzi)

NP: Johnny "Guitar Watson, "What The Hell Is This?"

Re: Frühling - Zeit des Bandes - Zeit der Muße

Hi Michael,
hi Jochen auch,

mein Lieblingsfoto dieser Gitarre ist ja das hier:



Weil man da so schön den Jochen erkennen kann.

: Ich musste ein Gitarrenband bestellen, das zu dem Gedicht passt, meinen Frühlingsgefühlen entgegenkommt & gleichzeitig auch noch in farblicher Enstprechung zu meiner neuen Gitarre steht

Und das hier



ist natürlich der Hammer. Paßt wunderbar zu der Parker. Damit wirst Du am Wochenende ganz bestimmt zur Maikönigin gewählt.

Keep rockin'
Friedlieb

Re: Frühling - Zeit des Bandes - Zeit der Muße

Tach auch,

:-)

"mein Lieblingsfoto dieser Gitarre ist ja das hier:
:
:
:
: Weil man da so schön den Jochen erkennen kann.
"

Ja, sogar gleich 3 mal. :-) Aber immerhin nicht nackt. :-))

Irgendwie hatte ich schon damit gerechnet, daß es hier auftaucht, und daß auch irgendwein Kommentar abgegeben wird. :-)) Ich bin ja sogar etwas verblüfft, in welch gemäßigter Form. ;-))

Mann, was habe ich mir einen abgebrochen, um den gewölbten und geriegelten Boden zu knipsen und gut geworden ist das Foto ja nun auch nicht, deshalb ist ja auch noch ein zweites Bild von der Rückseite in der Auktion, aber in dem sind so viele Reflektionen, deshalb habe ich dann beide hochgeschoben.

Was mich aber dennoch wundert, ist: ich habe keine Anfrage bekommen, ob denn unten rechts ein Loch, Aufkleber oder was sonst ist. Wir haben nämlich noch einen Herrnhuter Stern im Fenster hängen, ich weiß, der müßte längst wieder weg, und der sieht schon recht strange im Bild aus.

Aber: ich habe nichrt damit angefangen, von meiner Auktion hier zu berichten, sehe mich nun aber fast schon gezwungen *g* auf die anderen Artikel (Hamer Special, Daniel D., Nobels A/B-Box, ein flatschneues Duesenberg Pickguard in white pearl und einen Ibanez Chorus) hinzuweisen.

Drückt mir mal bitte die Daumen, daß sie da noch was tut.

Viele Grüße

Jochen